The Jury

[Burnie Burns]

I fundamentally disagree with the idea that if you play an idol, you can go home.

[Burnie Burns]

Like PERSONALLY, and this is just me, I would have:

A. Treated it like a firemaking tiebreaker deadlock, and had a challenge to determine who left.

B. Cancelled Tribal Council and had another Final Immunity. This one is probs the most game theory oriented one, since Idols are supposed to be functionally equivalent to Individual Immunity, and treats them as equals - but for production schedules I'd probs go with A.

[Katia Winter]

Sept 26, 2016 15:45:50 GMT Burnie Burns said:

I fundamentally disagree with the idea that if you play an idol, you can go home.

It's happened to me before.

[Cody Calafiore]

Just bc it's happened to you doesn't mean it's alright #mytwocents :x

[Katia Winter]

Sept 26, 2016 17:30:23 GMT Cody Calafiore said:

Just bc it's happened to you doesn't mean it's alright #mytwocents :x

You also were rooting hard for Dustin so~


But I see both sides of it. The Idol holders were made aware of this technicality when they were granted ownership of their Idols. It's also how it was done in SurVS, a series this one borrows heavily from, and it was an idea I liked. It also is an unlikely scenario as in this case, there were four Idols in play. The earliest such a situation could have arisen was Final Five.

[Cody Calafiore]

I mean I was rooting for Dustin, but even looking at this through my mostly unbiased #hostgoggles, it's pretty dumb that you can play an idol and go home, even if it's via a technicality. Yes, it makes sense that everyone was vulnerable after they all played an idol. Like, that's pretty much the only option (except the options that Burnie presented, which also make sense lmao). But I think this game should've been designed to prevent these sorts of scenarios happening in the first place -- such as having less idols, or making it so idols expired earlier in the game. If idols expired at F6 like Dustin said, then this scenario would not have happened. Having idols expire so late also just makes them way too overpowered imo, but that's just my personal preference.

[Katia Winter]

The way I feel about it ultimately is this -


Unlike most series, the Idol is playable up to and including the F4.

Idols also, due to this, do not go back into play once they're off the playing board and in a player's possession, even if they leave the game with it in their possession.

Because of this, in order to avoid making them so powerful that it borders on the ridiculous, if they pack their Idols this long, this is the risk they run. It creates a game of "Idol Management". It is an unlikely scenario to occur, but it could occur. This season it did.

[Cody Calafiore]

I guess I just disagree with the ideas of idols going to F4 then. If that's your series schtick then that's fine, but I really do not see the benefit. In most series idols don't go back into play after they've been used or otherwise removed, and they have them expire at F6.

[Katia Winter]

It's one of my many series schticks. The other ones being Exile and difficult challenges. There are a lot of series where Idols do go back onto the playing board, which I fundamentally disagree with.

TBF though, if Idols did expire at F5, Dustin would've certainly been gone, so he still had a chance to stay which was greater than had Idols expired.

[Natalie Anderson]

The real crime here is the idols couldn't save Brangelina's marriage.

Also WHERE ARE THE OPENING STATEMENTS?!?! It's not like they have much to say...

[Katia Winter]

Sept 26, 2016 17:51:07 GMT Natalie Anderson said:

The real crime here is the idols couldn't save Brangelina's marriage.

Also WHERE ARE THE OPENING STATEMENTS?!?! It's not like they have much to say...

You people are savage.

But at least ana active jury unlike last season.

[Burnie Burns]

if tim doesn't win its criminal

having said that, he is not a particularly good winner so im not ENTHHUSED to vote for him

[Dorothy Hui]

Sept 26, 2016 17:51:07 GMT Natalie Anderson said:

The real crime here is the idols couldn't save Brangelina's marriage.

Also WHERE ARE THE OPENING STATEMENTS?!?! It's not like they have much to say...

They've got plenty of time. They'll be up eventually - or they won't, and we can call them out about it. Win-win!

I think my issue with the idols isn't just that they could get played at F4 and make that technical mess that happened a reality, it's also that I don't think most of us as players knew that it could be done that way. I just rechecked the Rules thread, and it doesn't mention anywhere that idols could be played through F4 and serve as a ticket to the FTC. Something like this wasn't on anyone's radars aside from the people who actually found the idols. I don't remember if it was stated in the HII threads when the idols could be played - maybe it was stated there?

Regardless, I agree with Burnie that those votes should have been thrown out in favor of some sort of firemaking competition. Having those votes for Dustin count anyway when he actually found an idol and Jaclyn didn't is pretty nasty, in my opinion.

[Dustin McNeer]

#VoteCarrie2k16 #ForTheLolz

[Dustin McNeer]

I didn't know when idols could be played until the final 4 until I found the exile one and when I had asked hosts prior to this, it wasn't shared which was annoying