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Post by Natalie Anderson on Sept 28, 2016 0:54:21 GMT
Hello final 3  Definately was not expecting this final 3, but congrats either way! I have a couple of questions for you all to answer and then I will get to you each individually as well. 1) I feel it is important that you have an idea of what the jury thinks of you as presumably you want to be seen in a good light especially compared to who else you are sitting next to as that is the basic skill in trying to get to the end and win. Also I think it is important to assess the competition and get a gauge on what others think of each other. So I have a little game for everyone. Below I pasted some descriptions of what the jury has said about everyone in the jury/finals. So I want you to match up the description with someone either on the jury or sitting in the final. I know some of you haven't met Cody or Jasmine, but hopefully you asked someone enough about them that you would be able to make a guess  Outsider Bad Ass Personal Betrayal Gamebot Not Around Bitter Quiet and Unassuming at first Condescending Fun and Funny and Likeable Floating to whoever is in control Big Player Intimidation Factor Cringeworthy Best Pure Strategic Game Sweet Person, but a Follower Most Frustrating and Confusing Ally Popular Vague Lucky Enigma Bold and Unexpecting Cute and Sociable Super Smart Too Stupid and/or Inactive Qurky Best Friend Sneaky Betch National Treasure Incredibly Paranoid and Transparent Cray and Unpredicatble Goat Game on paper looks really, really good Wants to win the most Odds on favorite to win I'll give you a hint: Here is how many times each person appears above (Burnie- 1, Carrie- 5, Cody- 1, Dorothy- 3, Dustin- 3, Ian- 2, Jaclyn- 5, Jasmine- 1, Julia- 3, Kathy- 1, Natalie- 2, Tim- 6) 2) My second thing thing is a 2 parter (or I'm bending the rules :x). a) I feel is important is being able to know when you felt like you had the game in the bag. I want each of you to tell me the move in the game you personally felt like you lead the charge on or was a big part of that kind of propelled the game moving into your favor. Kind of like your defining moment. Tell me what it is and why you feel that. b) Also think it is important to know other people's strengths and weakness. Since the people in the jury did not make the end and you did, tell me what you think each person on the jury did wrong, or was the reason they are sitting here instead of the finals. Now on to each of you  We didn't get to talk much the last few rounds I was in the game. I wanted to approach you to work together, as I felt we started that round 1 of merge, but then the next 2 rounds you did not speak to me. If you were around more, do you think an alliance of us could have formed (and tell me why or why not). You also did not vote at all the round I left which I find hard to get past personally, so why should I vote for you to win, when you didn't bother to vote at all the round I left?  You were the first person to come to me at the merge to offer some type of agreement and I respect that on a game level and was glad we got to work together a little bit. You went to exile the round I left so we didn't really get to say goodbye or rehash on things, so my question to you is if I had survived what would have been your end game goal with me? Also you admitted to playing a floaters game, but I typically reward more in your face type of game play, so can you tell me if there was any move that you lead the charge on and if not why someone who lead the charge more doesn't deserve the win as much as someone who floated to the end?   |
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Post by Tim Dormer on Sept 28, 2016 4:27:02 GMT
1) I feel it is important that you have an idea of what the jury thinks of you as presumably you want to be seen in a good light especially compared to who else you are sitting next to as that is the basic skill in trying to get to the end and win. Also I think it is important to assess the competition and get a gauge on what others think of each other. So I have a little game for everyone. Below I pasted some descriptions of what the jury has said about everyone in the jury/finals. So I want you to match up the description with someone either on the jury or sitting in the final. I know some of you haven't met Cody or Jasmine, but hopefully you asked someone enough about them that you would be able to make a guess Outsider Bad Ass Personal Betrayal Gamebot Not Around Bitter Quiet and Unassuming at first Condescending Fun and Funny and Likeable Floating to whoever is in control Big Player Intimidation Factor Cringeworthy Best Pure Strategic Game Sweet Person, but a Follower Most Frustrating and Confusing Ally Popular Vague Lucky Enigma Bold and Unexpecting Cute and Sociable Super Smart Too Stupid and/or Inactive Qurky Best Friend Sneaky Betch National Treasure Incredibly Paranoid and Transparent Cray and Unpredicatble Goat Game on paper looks really, really good Wants to win the most Odds on favorite to win I'll give you a hint: Here is how many times each person appears above (Burnie- 1, Carrie- 5, Cody- 1, Dorothy- 3, Dustin- 3, Ian- 2, Jaclyn- 5, Jasmine- 1, Julia- 3, Kathy- 1, Natalie- 2, Tim- 6)
Hi Natalie, Thanks for the questions. I will try my best.
Outsider - Natalie Bad Ass - Dustin Personal Betrayal - Julia Gamebot - Burnie Not Around - Carrie Bitter - Dustin Quiet and Unassuming at first - Carrie Condescending - Probably Tim... Fun and Funny and Likeable - Ian Floating to whoever is in control - Jaclyn Big Player - Cody Intimidation Factor - Dustin Cringeworthy - Jaclyn Best Pure Strategic Game - Tim (if not, im a little insulted ;( ) Sweet Person, but a Follower - Carrie Most Frustrating and Confusing Ally - Tim Popular - Julia Vague - Tim Lucky - Jaclyn Enigma - Carrie Bold and Unexpecting - Dorothy Cute and Sociable - Cody Super Smart - Dorothy Too Stupid and/or Inactive - Jaclyn Qurky Best Friend - Dorothy Sneaky Betch - Tim National Treasure - Natalie Incredibly Paranoid and Transparent - Ian Cray and Unpredictable - Tim Goat - Jaclyn Game on paper looks really, really good - Carrie Wants to win the most - Dorothy Odds on favorite to win - Julia
(Burnie- 1, Carrie- 5, Cody- 1, Dorothy- 3, Dustin- 3, Ian- 2, Jaclyn- 5, Jasmine- 1, Julia- 3, Kathy- 1, Natalie- 2, Tim- 6)
I hope you are going to give us the answers to these after Natalie. This question is awesome. I am pretty sure I failed though.
2) My second thing thing is a 2 parter (or I'm bending the rules :x).
a) I feel is important is being able to know when you felt like you had the game in the bag. I want each of you to tell me the move in the game you personally felt like you lead the charge on or was a big part of that kind of propelled the game moving into your favor. Kind of like your defining moment. Tell me what it is and why you feel that.
b) Also think it is important to know other people's strengths and weakness. Since the people in the jury did not make the end and you did, tell me what you think each person on the jury did wrong, or was the reason they are sitting here instead of the finals.
2 A) I don't feel like I have the game in the bag, and the more I read jurors statements, the less confident I feel. That being said, my best move in the game and a move that I would consider my defining moment are different. I lead the charge in most of the votes post merge, some of them were from behind the scene. That being said my defining moment is when I sent Dorothy out of the game. People told me who they wanted out during the conversations early on in that evening. Dustin and Ian were identified as targets. It would not have been a good game move for me to go after either of them. I had a strong friendship with Ian, and Dustin while pissed at me about the Burnie and Natalie votes, didn't really have much in terms of options. I wanted to send someone home who I felt could have the idol (thus the need for a blindside), and someone who was strong socially, physically and mentally. I went to Dorothy that night and asked if her and Julia had mended fences long enough to get through the next couple of rounds, and she had informed me they feel they had. That wasn't going to work for me, so I went to Julia and told her Dorothy wanted to target her the previous week, and might have wanted to that round had Julia not wound up with immunity. This was enough to get Julia on board with sending Dorothy home, and Carrie was going to be more then willing to do it as well. Our alliance of three was the one in control this round, but I was the one who put forth the motivation for the vote and pulled the strings to make it happen. With the way that I knew the votes were going, I was more then confident that our three votes, would be enough to send Dorothy home. Now the reason I feel like this is my defining moment, is because I knew I had the right connections to pull off the move, and after it was all said in done, it was really the first time I felt I had set myself up to make a run for the end of the game. Looking at the final 6 after Dorothy left. Julia had problems with Dustin, Dustin had problems with Julia and Ian, Ian had problems with Dustin. Dustin was isolated and had no one to work with but me and Ian was so happy I was able to pull something off that kept him in the game. Julia was firmly convinced Carrie and I were taking her to the final 3. A 3-2-1 vote was fitting and it takes a lot of skill to pull a blindside of that magnitude off with so few people in the game. On top of that no one really respected Jaclyn or Carrie based survey and I was completely invisible in the survey. I had positioned myself and Carrie to a point where I could make moves and take out people and still have them go after one another before they would even consider touching me. All these threats were going to target one another after that. The three of them didn't realize it yet, but I was going to use their animosity towards one another to send them each out before they knew what was happening. I had caused blindsides prior to that moment, but it is the one I feel really was what set the course for the final weeks of the game.
2 B) Cody and Jasmines inability to win a challenge cost them a spot in the merge and ultimately earned them a spot on the jury. Kathy's inactivity sent her out of the game in the first week of the merge. Burnie I think made a mistake winning that first immunity. He didn't need it, we all knew who was going home. What that immunity showed was he was a very social player and everyone liked him. This makes it easier for underdogs to go after someone they consider the head hauncho. Natalie is sitting on the jury because she was a big threat to win the game. She came from a tribe of one, and speaking to most of nu Bruxelle, we all would have voted for her in the end. She had proven to me that she was likable and was willing to put in the work to win the game. From those eligible to be voted out that week, she absolutely had the biggest bullseye on her back based on her resume. Dorothy is sitting on the jury because she was a triple threat. Several of us also thought she possessed the exile idol. She was blindsided by the Burnie vote and I know I was on her hit list. Not having to deal with that in the final six, was the ideal situation, and if she used the idol at least another threat would have left. Ian is sitting on the jury because he was was not Julia or Dustin. Keeping Julia in that round meant that she and Dustin would target one another. It was simply a lack of people, and Ian's fight with Dustin wasn't as necessary to my hame as Julias. Ian's paranoia I feel played a role in the decision to send him to the jury as well. Julia went to the jury because she was the biggest social threat left in the game. She was seen as the face of several of the moves and since Dustin was ineligible for the vote, she was the obvious choice. Dustin is on the jury now because he would win the game if he made the final tribal council. I think he got cocky knowing he had an idol and didn't try for immunity nearly as hard as he should have. I went over three times as long as he did in that final challenge. Having the idol put him into a false sense of security, and you should never feel safe in survivor (clearly even with an idol).
LMAO, that is literally the best thing you could have put. My response is....
Thanks for taking the time to ask some great questions Natalie. I hope you got what were looking for from these answers. |
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Post by Natalie Anderson on Sept 28, 2016 5:21:14 GMT
Thanks Tim, But not so fast, I actually do have a question but wanted to see how you responded to the wall paper first  My thing with you was that I couldn't tell what was real/genuine and what was fake. We didn't talk much on Amsterdam and when we did I found it difficult to sustain a conversation with you during our time on that tribe, and as a result of that I was closer with a lot of other people. So after a few rounds you seemed to be the best target for me and I feared you had an idol (which you did) so I voted for you and if Austin actually voted you like he was supposed to, you might have been gone then (if we stayed strong and made Dustin and/or Cody switch). We swapped immediately after so didn't get a chance to talk about it. I also was skeptical seeing you again in the merge since I didn't know how you took me voting for you, but I didn’t trash you to anyone. This is survivor and people vote people, so my question to you is why were you so upset that you got a vote from me and to the extent that you trashed me to everyone. Also why bring it up in your opening statement if it was irrelevant to anything else you said in it. Are you still upset with me for that? I’m not a person that holds grudges, so I was hoping to get a clean slate with you and thought it may be smart if we did work together because of our history as people may not have expected it. We cleared the air and then I thought we could work together, but then I would try to talk to you and you would say things like you were too tired to think and then sign off. Or I would ask you things that I heard someone said and you would just act confused or tell me something opposite. Or the round I left you didn’t tell me I was going but when I asked you said it was very hard to vote me out, but then you still seemed bitter towards me in your opening statement. It also bothered me that you automatically assumed if I had stayed I would have been after you since you voted me, but that is not me at all, and if I stayed I actually would have wanted to work with you more probably, so I feel like you just didn’t have a good read on other people. Ironically, I found it very hard to read you, which can be a good thing if it is strategy, but if it isn’t than it can just come across as wishy washy and non-assertive. So I guess I just want to know what you actually feel about me now after the merge (as I felt I def got closer to you even though I couldn't tell how you felt), and what personality traits/quirks were the genuine Tim and what was part of it was strategy (and if strategy why). Also the round I left were you actually considering keeping me and booting Julia or Dustin or did you always know you wanted me gone that round? I do think you played well, I just really want to see the real Tim in these answers who has a grasp on his own perception and someone who was confident with what they excelled at and maybe not excelled at in this game. I know it can be hard voting people out you like, but I guess what I mean is similar to Dorothy, not sure how much or what was genuine in that and what was strategic and you seemed to take a lot of things personally so not sure if your moves stemmed from a personal feeling rather than strategic. |
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Post by Jasmine Trias on Sept 28, 2016 11:23:23 GMT
"This question is awesome. I am pretty sure I failed though"
Yup you failed since I am not in your answer. Bye
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Post by Tim Dormer on Sept 28, 2016 23:44:11 GMT
"This question is awesome. I am pretty sure I failed though" Yup you failed since I am not in your answer. Bye Hmm, i had you in there but I took you out because I thought you were in there twice. Thats okay, I will give a few more that I wrote in my confessional. Devious - Jasmine Underdog - Jasmine Jamsterdam - Jasmine <3 the Flower Power, rock on girl. |
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Post by Tim Dormer on Sept 29, 2016 0:19:53 GMT
Thanks Tim,
But not so fast, I actually do have a question but wanted to see how you responded to the wall paper first
My thing with you was that I couldn't tell what was real/genuine and what was fake. We didn't talk much on Amsterdam and when we did I found it difficult to sustain a conversation with you during our time on that tribe, and as a result of that I was closer with a lot of other people. So after a few rounds you seemed to be the best target for me and I feared you had an idol (which you did) so I voted for you and if Austin actually voted you like he was supposed to, you might have been gone then (if we stayed strong and made Dustin and/or Cody switch). We swapped immediately after so didn't get a chance to talk about it.
I also was skeptical seeing you again in the merge since I didn't know how you took me voting for you, but I didn’t trash you to anyone. This is survivor and people vote people, so my question to you is why were you so upset that you got a vote from me and to the extent that you trashed me to everyone. Also why bring it up in your opening statement if it was irrelevant to anything else you said in it. Are you still upset with me for that?
I’m not a person that holds grudges, so I was hoping to get a clean slate with you and thought it may be smart if we did work together because of our history as people may not have expected it. We cleared the air and then I thought we could work together, but then I would try to talk to you and you would say things like you were too tired to think and then sign off. Or I would ask you things that I heard someone said and you would just act confused or tell me something opposite. Or the round I left you didn’t tell me I was going but when I asked you said it was very hard to vote me out, but then you still seemed bitter towards me in your opening statement. It also bothered me that you automatically assumed if I had stayed I would have been after you since you voted me, but that is not me at all, and if I stayed I actually would have wanted to work with you more probably, so I feel like you just didn’t have a good read on other people. Ironically, I found it very hard to read you, which can be a good thing if it is strategy, but if it isn’t than it can just come across as wishy washy and non-assertive. So I guess I just want to know what you actually feel about me now after the merge (as I felt I def got closer to you even though I couldn't tell how you felt), and what personality traits/quirks were the genuine Tim and what was part of it was strategy (and if strategy why). Also the round I left were you actually considering keeping me and booting Julia or Dustin or did you always know you wanted me gone that round? I do think you played well, I just really want to see the real Tim in these answers who has a grasp on his own perception and someone who was confident with what they excelled at and maybe not excelled at in this game. I know it can be hard voting people out you like, but I guess what I mean is similar to Dorothy, not sure how much or what was genuine in that and what was strategic and you seemed to take a lot of things personally so not sure if your moves stemmed from a personal feeling rather than strategic.
Hi Natalie thanks for taking the time to talk to me. I would like to address this stuff and thanks for the concern. I felt like we had a decent connection, that is why I was hurt by you voting for me in week four. That being said, I was certainly a lot closer to other people on Amsterdam. You were not the most active person at first, but I consistently did my best to fill you in on what was going on. I don't know why I brought up in the situation in my opening statement. IIt was intended to show people I can get over things and not many things were very serious to me in this game. Attacking you was certainly out of character, but like I said above, it’s because I felt like I didn't do anything to warrant you coming after me. I am not upset with you at all, when we squashed that, I actually did a complete 180 on you. So let me state for the record I am not bitter towards you in any way, shape or form and I am sorry it read that way in the opening statement. After we talked it was a clean slate, in my mind.
I am glad you brought up me being hard to read, as I intended it to be as such. As I stated in my intro, I took a lot of information in and I didn't give anything out. I think part of people’s frustration with me is because I kept tight lipped. Part of my acting confused is because I had heard almost everything said in those situations. It was important for me that people not know my exact thoughts on everything. Amsterdam had everyone telling their thoughts to every other person. I think part of my success in the game is because people (not only you) found me very hard to read. This strategy made it so no one could go to other people and say "Tim said this about you, he should go." It also made a lot of people trusts me because I didn't spill their secrets. I was very dangerous as a result of this at the merge with the amount of information people had given me.
On a personal level Natalie, I really enjoyed you in the last couple rounds I got to talk to you. If I had seen this Natalie early on, I think we have been good allies. That was one of the reasons why I was not happy about sending you home, but it was a move I had to do. I wanted to get to know you more, but I was playing for long term in the game.
So despite the fact that we connected better, it was too little too late for me on a game level (and strictly game level).
Unfortunately Natalie, I was never planning on keeping you the round you stayed. I feel like that you would have been loyal to me, but I had enough people that were loyal to me at that point. Honestly, Julia had another target that week and didn't think taking out a big player was the smart option. She thought we needed a cool down after the big blindside. I saw it as the opposite, and I needed to continue to send big players out of the door each week while I had the momentum built up. I was hoping someone would bring up perception as a question. Perception is reality in this game, and being in the background of the merge tribe, no one saw me coming for them before they were already out of the game. I was not on anyone radar in the survey challenge, and that showed I was accomplishing exactly what I wanted. I feel that I am extremely perceptive. I was able to draw correlations between what different people were saying and had a great read of every tribe I was on. I may not have been the biggest talker or the most personable person, but I kept note of everything that happened and as a result I was able to make big moves with relative ease. Needless to say, it wasn't my charisma that made these moves happen. It was intellect and my ability to bring facts and in some instances fabricate lies to get what I needed done. I want it to be clear, while personally I may have felt one thing; every single move I made was strategy. If I was playing personally, I would be sitting in the final 2 with Ian and Julia.
Thank you for your follow up question/statement and I hope I cleared things up. |
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Post by Carrie Underwood on Sept 29, 2016 7:04:25 GMT
I have a couple of questions for you all to answer and then I will get to you each individually as well. 1) I feel it is important that you have an idea of what the jury thinks of you as presumably you want to be seen in a good light especially compared to who else you are sitting next to as that is the basic skill in trying to get to the end and win. Also I think it is important to assess the competition and get a gauge on what others think of each other. So I have a little game for everyone. Below I pasted some descriptions of what the jury has said about everyone in the jury/finals. So I want you to match up the description with someone either on the jury or sitting in the final. I know some of you haven't met Cody or Jasmine, but hopefully you asked someone enough about them that you would be able to make a guess Outsider Bad Ass Personal Betrayal Gamebot Not Around Bitter Quiet and Unassuming at first Condescending Fun and Funny and Likeable Floating to whoever is in control Big Player Intimidation Factor Cringeworthy Best Pure Strategic Game Sweet Person, but a Follower Most Frustrating and Confusing Ally Popular Vague Lucky Enigma Bold and Unexpecting Cute and Sociable Super Smart Too Stupid and/or Inactive Qurky Best Friend Sneaky Betch National Treasure Incredibly Paranoid and Transparent Cray and Unpredicatble Goat Game on paper looks really, really good Wants to win the most Odds on favorite to win I'll give you a hint: Here is how many times each person appears above (Burnie- 1, Carrie- 5, Cody- 1, Dorothy- 3, Dustin- 3, Ian- 2, Jaclyn- 5, Jasmine- 1, Julia- 3, Kathy- 1, Natalie- 2, Tim- 6) 2) My second thing thing is a 2 parter (or I'm bending the rules :x). a) I feel is important is being able to know when you felt like you had the game in the bag. I want each of you to tell me the move in the game you personally felt like you lead the charge on or was a big part of that kind of propelled the game moving into your favor. Kind of like your defining moment. Tell me what it is and why you feel that. b) Also think it is important to know other people's strengths and weakness. Since the people in the jury did not make the end and you did, tell me what you think each person on the jury did wrong, or was the reason they are sitting here instead of the finals. Now on to each of you We didn't get to talk much the last few rounds I was in the game. I wanted to approach you to work together, as I felt we started that round 1 of merge, but then the next 2 rounds you did not speak to me. If you were around more, do you think an alliance of us could have formed (and tell me why or why not). You also did not vote at all the round I left which I find hard to get past personally, so why should I vote for you to win, when you didn't bother to vote at all the round I left?
Hi Natalie, thanks for the questions.
Outsider - Natalie Bad Ass - Dustin Personal Betrayal - Julia Gamebot - Tim Not Around - Carrie Bitter - Tim Quiet and Unassuming at first - Kathy Condescending - Jaclyn Fun and Funny and Likeable - Dustin Floating to whoever is in control - Jaclyn Big Player - Dorothy Intimidation Factor - Natalie Cringeworthy - Tim Best Pure Strategic Game - Julia Sweet Person, but a Follower - Carrie Most Frustrating and Confusing Ally - Tim Popular - Julia Vague - Carrie Lucky - Jaclyn Enigma - Carrie Bold and Unexpecting - Dustin Cute and Sociable - Jasmine Super Smart - Ian Too Stupid and/or Inactive - Jaclyn Qurky Best Friend - Dorothy Sneaky Betch - Tim National Treasure - Cody Incredibly Paranoid and Transparent - Ian Cray and Unpredicatble - Tim Goat - Jaclyn Game on paper looks really, really good - Carrie Wants to win the most - Burnie Odds on favorite to win - Dorothy
2 - I never thought I had the game in my pocket because things change very fast here, but I think I had two moments that helped me to be here in the final. The first was not a strategic move, although it had a bit of strategy in my choices, but when I set up the new bruxelles that ended up putting me straight in the merge, since our tribe did not need to go to any CT and we did not need to show our game early so that choice was very important to my game. And the second was to have made the F2 with Julia and Tim, because the two were bigger threats and I could use that as a shield to protect me of the votes, and both believed that I was with them until the end, it made I stayed saved when Ian wanted to vote me off but even using them as a shield I still had a voice in all the decision we were always talking so it was not just me been behind them doing what they want me to do. I managed to keep that till I had to decide which way to go. I decided to stay with Tim because Julia was a far greater threat, since I knew that Tim was talking just game with people and Julia did not, she could connect more with people and would be much more difficult to compete with her in the end.
3 - Cody and Jasmine - was not their mistake, but being in the wrong tribe and that bad luck ended with their games.
Kathy - I think she was very quiet, but when she played in that mini bb she showed that she could be very strong which ended up costing the game for her.
Burnie - Winning the first challenge with a unanimous vote, showed that Burnie was linked to a lot of people in the game and that ended up putting a huge target on his back.
Natalie - The same situation of Cody and Jasmine, the fact that you have come alone to merge and plus be a threat to win if you had reached the final.
Dorothy - I think the mistake it was to have been shown to be a major force in the game, which ended up leaving everyone afraid of her and plus the fact that everyone was thinking she had the idol.
Ian - The reason Ian sitting in the jury is because he ended up on the wrong side of the numbers that round, since he was not part of Dorothy's blindside. I was allied with Julia / Tim / Jaclyn and at that point I had a great relationship with Dustin and I knew it Ian was against me.
Julia - This girl had a perfect game !!! It would have destroyed any of us in the end, because in addition to the wonderful game she still had a great connection with almost all of the jury.
Dustin - Underdog! Dustin came out to be the biggest threat in the F4 and obviously he would have won if he had reached the end we would won against any of us three
I would really try to work with you more to try to vote Ian off, I can not say that I would go with you to the end, because I'd lied because I always thought you were a great threat and a big underdog, but I really wanted to help you in the game, because like I told you I been through a situation like yours and it's horrible when people do not give you even a chance to play.
Sorry for not having voted in the CT you left, but the party that I had to do in those days began much earlier than I planned and it turned out that there was no internet, was in a rural area without internet, it had never happened before and also I hate the fact that not voting on a TC. I know it looked like I did not care if you go out or not, but it really was not what happened and I was here probably I would have told you like I said I would do. this is not a excuse but I'm answering you now 4am while the party is going because that its the only time I have so you now that I'm doing my best to play this game and no way I would not vote on porpuse or not caring for the game. |
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