Meh

[Burnie Burns]

Meh. 

This word encapsulates this Final 3. I'm actually a bit surprised some people are even offering the obligatory "grats on making Final 3 you deserve it blah blah blah" because, from my perspective, that certainly does not seem to be the sentiment. I think it can be safely said that no one is particularly jonesing to vote for...well, any of you. Actually, I think if any member of the jury replaced any of you up there, with the possible exception of Kathy, odds are they'd win. This. Jury. Is. Not. Happy. Something to keep in mind when you answer questions, finalists. 

Having said that, we HAVE to vote for one of you.. Well,I guess we could abstain, but that’s how people like Trump win elections. So, BEGRUDGINGLY, let’s do this. 

Jaclyn 

In contrast with quite a few people in this game, I actually enjoyed talking to you. I thought you were a bit robotic, a bit dry, but hey compared to the people next to you you weren’t half bad. But are you even here or are you just as inactive as people claimed you to be? It just seems weird to not be putting in the token effort at FTC. 

If you are here, excellent! 

We can progress from that. What I want to hear about your game is your strategy. You said, because of the fact that you were at the bottom, you needed to float for a period of time. Which, ok, makes sense, don’t want to attempt something early on and have it blow up in your face because you don’t have the social capital to pull it off. Very fair, I don’t disagree. 

However, as the game progressed, it seems you didn’t alter your game in tune with the changing social dynamics. As far as I can see, you just kept floating, letting other people dictate your vote, right up until Final Tribal Council. You didn’t make any moves other than the ones you needed to survive. There was no extra mile, no moves you could claim as your own,no uptick in tempo to bring an actual case to FTC.  

Floating is GREAT in the short-term, but it’s not enough to win without a stellar social game. So having neither great strategy nor great sociability, I need you to convince me you had one if you want me to consider you for my vote. How you want to do that is up to you, but it’s up to you. 

Carrie 

Carrie, I don’t want to vote for you. I feel like you were fake with me the entire game, and never owned up to it. I made a lot of attempts to bridge the gap between us, and I got a lot of smiles and hearts, but about zero substance. I didn’t trust you at the start when you showed zero interest in talking to me, I didn’t trust you at the swap when I was clearly low in your draft order, and I didn’t trust you the round you ultimately wrote my name down.  

And despite my genuine efforts, it’s clear to both of us that you saw me as a nothing in your game. So, that’s my question for you. Why lead me on and not even try to forge an actual game relationship? Why dismiss any of my efforts? It’s insulting being badly lied to time after time after time. I need you to justify this. 

Tim 

Timmy Tim Tim Tim. If there is ANYONE who is the antithesis of their rep choice, it’s you. (Which given how 90% of the “women” in this are, well, not, says a lot.) For anyone who didn’t bother with BBCAN4, Tim was the archetypical “charismatic mastermind” who everyone was BEGGING to give the money. When he (spoiler alert!) got evicted just short of the Final 2, the jury’s reaction says it all. 

Meanwhile, if you had been voted out, it would have been more along the lines of...well... 

Maybe you had a ton of strategy (and, well, this is a big maybe) but you didn’t have Tim’s cult of personality. Tim was arrogant, sure, I don’t think anyone would claim otherwise - but it was a loveable arrogance. Right now? No one is loving your arrogance, Tim. 

You are sitting with the supposed two biggest goats in this game, and there is a VERY. REAL. possibility that one of them will take the win. This is not some dramatic conjecture on my part. This is not me wanting to make a dull FTC ever so slightly more exciting. I am probably one of your bigger supporters, and even I am peeved off at you. If you don’t makes us happy about voting for you? Well, Carrie and Jaclyn sure are looking inoffensive. No one’s votes are locked, as things currently stand. 

So, here’s what I want you to do. The biggest complaint I’ve heard from this jury is your (unfounded) arrogance. So, I want you to highlight the flaws of your game. The more, the better. I want you to give me the most PERSUASIVE damn argument of why not only you don’t deserve to win, hell, you barely deserve to be standing up there. I want impassioned details of why Tim Dormer failed as a player in EuroSurvivor: Benelux. And if you can convince me of this, oddly enough, you’ll get my vote. Weird how these things work. 

Finally, for ALL of you. Let’s flip the tale. Let’s say you are a jury of three, and Final Tribal Council consists of the jury. I want you to power rank the order in which you would vote for each of us to win. I.E., 1 is probably getting your vote, 9 is the goatiest goat to ever goat. I want to see how closely your values allign with ours. 

Best of luck, Final 3.

[Carrie Underwood]

Sept 30, 2016 20:06:36 GMT Burnie Burns said:

Carrie 

Carrie, I don’t want to vote for you. I feel like you were fake with me the entire game, and never owned up to it. I made a lot of attempts to bridge the gap between us, and I got a lot of smiles and hearts, but about zero substance. I didn’t trust you at the start when you showed zero interest in talking to me, I didn’t trust you at the swap when I was clearly low in your draft order, and I didn’t trust you the round you ultimately wrote my name down.  

And despite my genuine efforts, it’s clear to both of us that you saw me as a nothing in your game. So, that’s my question for you. Why lead me on and not even try to forge an actual game relationship? Why dismiss any of my efforts? It’s insulting being badly lied to time after time after time. I need you to justify this. 

Finally, for ALL of you. Let’s flip the tale. Let’s say you are a jury of three, and Final Tribal Council consists of the jury. I want you to power rank the order in which you would vote for each of us to win. I.E., 1 is probably getting your vote, 9 is the goatiest goat to ever goat. I want to see how closely your values allign with ours. 

Best of luck, Final 3.

Hello Burnie thanks for your question

It was not a lie when at the beginning of the game I said I wanted to work with you, in my mind was myself ,you, Dorothy and Julia together so much that when I could assemble the new tribes I did everything possible to keep the four of us together. As for the hearts and smiles I do that with everyone in and out of the game, those who know me know that this is me so I can tell you for sure it was not me been fake and I'm sorry if you feel that. 

I believe that what may have separated us was the time I spent in exile, that can have make us not be so much conected on our first tribe. 

As a strategic part I lied to you in the merge after finding out that you were in an alliance of six who did not included me so I realized that I was not in your future plans.

Now my rank, and I will balance everything to make my final vote, because I believe its not only strategy that counts (it is boring just talk and breath strategy we need to focus in the other parts too because be just a strategist but not likeable its not everything aka Russel) or not only social but for me its a mix of who play a good strategy game with a good social and who I liked and wanted to see winning more

1- Julia ( great player strategicaly, phisicaly and socialy and plus I love her so I would like to see her winning)

2- Doroty (She is a beast and I m sure she would do a great speach and would convince us all to vote for her)

3- Dustin (great underdog, I would be happy to see him winning  with that story and he is very likeable)

4- Burnie (He was a leader and great socialy)

5- Natalie (She winning would be a great story for the game, a big comeback underdog story)

6- Ian (Great strategist, he always had a good thing to say) 

7- Jasmine (Fighter and just heard good things Im sure I would love her but since we did not had thta much time to see her game I need to put her here)

8- Cody (Same as Jasmine, unfortunaly I could not see how well he would play this because based on how he was playing in the tribal phase he would be great)

9- Kathy  ( I had time to play with her for a while but we never talked so would be hard for me to vote for her to win)

[Tim Dormer]

Sept 30, 2016 20:06:36 GMT Burnie Burns said:

Meh. 

This word encapsulates this Final 3. I'm actually a bit surprised some people are even offering the obligatory "grats on making Final 3 you deserve it blah blah blah" because, from my perspective, that certainly does not seem to be the sentiment. I think it can be safely said that no one is particularly jonesing to vote for...well, any of you. Actually, I think if any member of the jury replaced any of you up there, with the possible exception of Kathy, odds are they'd win. This. Jury. Is. Not. Happy. Something to keep in mind when you answer questions, finalists. 

Having said that, we HAVE to vote for one of you.. Well,I guess we could abstain, but that’s how people like Trump win elections. So, BEGRUDGINGLY, let’s do this. 

Jaclyn 

In contrast with quite a few people in this game, I actually enjoyed talking to you. I thought you were a bit robotic, a bit dry, but hey compared to the people next to you you weren’t half bad. But are you even here or are you just as inactive as people claimed you to be? It just seems weird to not be putting in the token effort at FTC. 

If you are here, excellent! 

We can progress from that. What I want to hear about your game is your strategy. You said, because of the fact that you were at the bottom, you needed to float for a period of time. Which, ok, makes sense, don’t want to attempt something early on and have it blow up in your face because you don’t have the social capital to pull it off. Very fair, I don’t disagree. 

However, as the game progressed, it seems you didn’t alter your game in tune with the changing social dynamics. As far as I can see, you just kept floating, letting other people dictate your vote, right up until Final Tribal Council. You didn’t make any moves other than the ones you needed to survive. There was no extra mile, no moves you could claim as your own,no uptick in tempo to bring an actual case to FTC.  

Floating is GREAT in the short-term, but it’s not enough to win without a stellar social game. So having neither great strategy nor great sociability, I need you to convince me you had one if you want me to consider you for my vote. How you want to do that is up to you, but it’s up to you. 

Carrie 

Carrie, I don’t want to vote for you. I feel like you were fake with me the entire game, and never owned up to it. I made a lot of attempts to bridge the gap between us, and I got a lot of smiles and hearts, but about zero substance. I didn’t trust you at the start when you showed zero interest in talking to me, I didn’t trust you at the swap when I was clearly low in your draft order, and I didn’t trust you the round you ultimately wrote my name down.  

And despite my genuine efforts, it’s clear to both of us that you saw me as a nothing in your game. So, that’s my question for you. Why lead me on and not even try to forge an actual game relationship? Why dismiss any of my efforts? It’s insulting being badly lied to time after time after time. I need you to justify this. 

Tim 

Timmy Tim Tim Tim. If there is ANYONE who is the antithesis of their rep choice, it’s you. (Which given how 90% of the “women” in this are, well, not, says a lot.) For anyone who didn’t bother with BBCAN4, Tim was the archetypical “charismatic mastermind” who everyone was BEGGING to give the money. When he (spoiler alert!) got evicted just short of the Final 2, the jury’s reaction says it all. 

Meanwhile, if you had been voted out, it would have been more along the lines of...well... 

Maybe you had a ton of strategy (and, well, this is a big maybe) but you didn’t have Tim’s cult of personality. Tim was arrogant, sure, I don’t think anyone would claim otherwise - but it was a loveable arrogance. Right now? No one is loving your arrogance, Tim. 

You are sitting with the supposed two biggest goats in this game, and there is a VERY. REAL. possibility that one of them will take the win. This is not some dramatic conjecture on my part. This is not me wanting to make a dull FTC ever so slightly more exciting. I am probably one of your bigger supporters, and even I am peeved off at you. If you don’t makes us happy about voting for you? Well, Carrie and Jaclyn sure are looking inoffensive. No one’s votes are locked, as things currently stand. 

So, here’s what I want you to do. The biggest complaint I’ve heard from this jury is your (unfounded) arrogance. So, I want you to highlight the flaws of your game. The more, the better. I want you to give me the most PERSUASIVE damn argument of why not only you don’t deserve to win, hell, you barely deserve to be standing up there. I want impassioned details of why Tim Dormer failed as a player in EuroSurvivor: Benelux. And if you can convince me of this, oddly enough, you’ll get my vote. Weird how these things work. 

Finally, for ALL of you. Let’s flip the tale. Let’s say you are a jury of three, and Final Tribal Council consists of the jury. I want you to power rank the order in which you would vote for each of us to win. I.E., 1 is probably getting your vote, 9 is the goatiest goat to ever goat. I want to see how closely your values allign with ours. 

Best of luck, Final 3.

Thank you for the opportunity to answer your questions man. This final tribal council has been a humbling experience, seeing so many people actively distain me. 

I will be the first to say I have made a ton of mistakes in the game, right from day one. I feel like my biggest flaw in this game has been my jury management. I sent people out of the game with little to no regard with how they were feeling as they left. The thought of getting to the finals to argue my case was more important than feelings i hurt along the way to get there. So it is entirely warranted that people see me a total asshole now. Expanding on this, a huge mistake for me was the way I treated Dustin early in the merge. I had someone who trusted me, who I screwed over not once, but thrice in three weeks. I didn't tell him about how I was voting twice, and told him last minute once without a stronger argument as to why I was doing it. I really had no reason to not include him in either of those votes, because as far as I knew, he trusted me. So I grossly overestimated my relationship with him to think I could continue to do that to him, with very little retaliation. This hurt us on a personal level, and i probably ruined any shot of a friendship outside of the game. I didn't want this game to impact the relationships I started to build in it and this is the greatest example of me ruining one, and there are several of people that I feel I have had this effect on. That leads me to my next point. I feel like I got greedy when it came to the merge. I could have gone ahead with other plans, but I was selfish and wanted to be the reason people were sent out of the game. Green is an ugly color on me, and I was overshadowed by a lot of people and I wanted to make my mark. Some of those moves could have been cleaner and more honest, not everything needed to be a blindside. Earlier in the season, I feel like I was flawed in some of my decision making. I entered into an alliance with two of the loosest cannons in the game. I even sewed distrust between myself and people who wanted to work with me because I wasn't willing to jump off a sinking ship even though those girls sold me out before they left. This left me with few allies and a lot to make up for. I clearly made some blunders in the middle of the game by not trying as hard socially to get to know my new tribe. I started lying early on in the game about game related things. I continued to lie and really it became second nature. A game shouldn't have revolved around what lies have and haven't been told. I should have saved those and lied with a purpose as opposed out of a necessity to avoid being discovered, or generally avoiding drama. On top of that, I I feel like I was not able to trust anyone fully. I felt like as many lies as I was telling, I must be receiving as many from other people. I wouldn’t necessarily call it paranoia, but trusting anyone while knowing the game you are playing is very difficult. To be perfectly honest, I have made mistakes even up to this point. My answers have come off as overconfident and arrogant. It absolutely shows lots social unawareness on my part. There are things that after reading them I thought to myself "Did I really need to say that?" The comments made about me at this final tribal council shed some light on some things I need to go and re-evaluate outside of the game. 

So needless to say I have played far from a perfect game, making critical mistakes socially and some strategically. I have tried to fix mistakes as I went along. The ones that have been brought to my attention recently, I am going to take away with me as I want them to be able to help me in life, and not just in these games. The first step I can make to rectifying this is by apologizing to every person I hurt as a result of being too self-involved to really let myself get to know a lot of you. As a person, I look like absolute garbage because of this game and the choices i made in it. I am not going to make any excuses about my flaws this season, it’s a learning experience. You all have the right to judge me on any criteria you want. Therefore, if you want a reason to not vote for me, or to see why you all deserve to be there over me, there is plenty of ammunition above. 

Final vote Jury Ranking:  

1. Julia - she played a phenomenal social game. She played great strategically and she won a challenge and was never a slouch in challenges. If she was sitting in that final 2 spot, whether she sent me there or not, she would have my vote. I would never vote bitterly against her. 

2. Dorothy - very similar to Julia, but the trigger wasn't pulled fast enough to see her make big moves. This is largely based on potential. 

3. Ian - I would vote for Ian because at least he tried to make plays and he kept in constant communication with everyone. He probably had the most heart of anyone in this cast to play this game. I also would judge my vote based on how much or little I would like someone, so I can't get mad at anyone else for doing it. 

4. Natalie - She came from a tribe of one to the final 8. I have so much respect for her. I feel like I would have had her much lower if she was booted instead of Jasmine or Cody. She made it through two rounds of the merge before anyone took a swing at her. She would have had a hard time getting to the final chair and it would have been a great journey to watch if I were a juror. 

5. Dustin - I am sure the jury would probably put him at #1 or #2, so you will probably think I’m crazy. Don't get me wrong I really like him and he made it all the way to the final 4 from final 9, without having to piss anyone off. However sitting in the final 4, he really had no connection to either Jaclyn or Carrie and I didn't see anything strategic from him at the merger and the influenced my ranking. If I was voting for someone who didn't piss anyone off to win the game and who played well socially, he would be #1. 

6. Burnie - I think you had all of the makings of being a great leader in the game. He had great social skills. If he could continue to move people around like chess pieces with his social savvy, I think he would have been hard to beat in the end. That mini challenge proved he was a dominant social threat.  

7. Jasmine - I would love to rank Jasmine higher. She had so much potential, and was great to talk to during exile. I was rooting for her to crush Amsterdam. She would have been exciting to watch play the merger with no connections on a tribe of fully connected people. Unfortunately that is a big what if, since she wasn't able to watch the merge, I could only predict what would happen. 

8. Cody - Only here because I have not seen any of his gameplay since we parted ways in week 4. He was the leader of Amsterdam and as I see it the head of the Amsterdam four alliance. He took them through to 4 of the last 5 in nu Amsterdam. Great at challenges, but because I didn't get to see any of that play out before he left, I have no choice but to put him here. 

9. Kathy - I don't think I need to argue this point. Part of survivor is luck and she is by far the luckiest ORG player I have ever seen with how little she attended the game. The one redeeming factor was hearing about her owning the Big Brother Mini Challenge. 

I hope you find my ranking satisfactory. Unlike all of you who have had a chance to talk this out; this is based on personal opinion, and the knowledge I had within the confines of the game. 

Thank you again for the questions, and I will see you on the flip side Burnie. 

[Jaclyn Schultz]

I had one coming into this game, I really wanted to team up with you, Dorothy when we swapped, and tried to hopefully form some tight close alliance with you, but by the merge, time and management took a toll on me and after the first vote at the merge, I heard you were targetting me and that's when my gameplay pretty much tanked to be honest. Didn't really help when I got sent to Exile back to back and screwed up some of my plans. When Dorothy left, I originally wanted to target Ian to break up the Dustin/Ian duo, but I was left out of the loop and I did want to try to play some of my own moves, but twists can make or break a game and the moment I got sent to Exile back to back, I knew it was out of my grasp because once Dorothy left, I was left with some targets I had to take out if I wanted some chance of winning. Even though I wasn't that active compared to everyone else, it's not like I gave zero cares for the game. I did try to do something happen without being told to, but never happened. I don't know if that'll convince you, but that's just the best and honest answer I can give to you.

1. Julie
2. Ian
3. Natalie
4. Dorothy
5. Burnie
6. Dustin
7. Jasmine
8. Cody- idk much about him so can't say much about him as a player and person
9. Kathy- How she made it far, that's an accomplishment